Let's speak to Veronica who's in um
Norwich as well. Are you comfortable
with this idea of potentially sending
Afghan women and girls back to the
Taliban? Veronica, are you
>> I'm not at all. And it's strange how all
your previous callers, I think, cuz I
turned off for a bit were men um who are
just seem to be comfortable. I mean,
it's just absolutely amazing. Women
cannot do anything. Now, I understand
there's a problem with immigration, but
again, people are just saying illegal,
illegal, illegal, but they are asylum
seekers and they need to be weeded out
from the people that come on the boats
and the ones that are not eligible will
be re returned to wherever we can return
them to depending on our returns
agreement. But to just send women and
children back to whatever country that
is treating women in such a manner, it's
typical for me that it's all men
calling. Oh yeah, just send them back.
>> Well, I mean, yeah. No, Veronica, there
were I can think of at least at least
one man, Aaron, I think it was, who who
who didn't who said that uh he wasn't
comfortable and he thought there should
be this should be an an exception for
women and girls. I might have run
downstairs and missed that.
But yeah, I mean,
you know, these people, most of them
also, a lot of them stood up for British
soldiers. Are we really going to send
people back to to be I don't know what
even tweet killed by the Taliban. And
also, somebody else pointed out in I
don't know where I saw it this morning,
but if you start paying terrorists, they
just might send over people to get more
money out of us. Do you see what I mean?
Okay, we pay you to take this a cement
to people. They'll under the cover,
under the radar of smuggling, they'll
send back more people. So, we pay them
some more money. They're terrorists.
They're not ethical in any manner or
shape or form.
>> Okay, Veronica. Thank you. Veronica
Norwich.
>> Clive, you're on the radio. Good
morning. You're talking about the Reform
UK plan as well.
>> Well, I was, but I was originally
meaning to chastise you slightly, Nick.
>> Oh, here we go. I'm so sorry. What have
I done wrong now?
>> Well, it was about the way you handle
the previous caller. I know that for
balance you have to be contrarian at
times.
>> What did I get? What did I get wrong,
sir?
>> It was the chap who was talking about
the migrant gangs roaming the streets.
Now, let me tell you, I'm uh I'm 71 and
40 years ago I got exiled to Lancaster
where I found love,
>> right? And I don't very often come down
to London anymore, but recently I came
down and one of my lads is a cocker in
the Met. So, as a bit of fun, I decided
to walk his patch. And I know it's a sad
thing to do. It's not he thought it was
sad, but um
>> anyhow, I uh started walking around the
Islington area, Camden area, and I was
shocked, Nick. I was absolutely shocked.
It wasn't the Britain. I recognized
anymore. It It was a It was a very
tense, unfriendly place.
>> What time of day was it?
>> This was in the middle of the day. I'm
not Listen, Nick, I'm not going to be
out at 11:00 at night. I can assure you.
>> Um I was walking around in broad
daylight. I went down Regent's Canal. I
went up to his um his his nick on toll
puddle street and around that area. And
it wasn't the London I recognize
anymore.
>> And I, you know, we must choose our we
must choose our language carefully. Is
is this because of what? I I don't want
you to pick on certain groups of people,
but I've got to ask you where your
discomfort came from. Clyde,
>> I appreciate that, Nick. And this is
where this is where societyy's going
wrong now. We're all dancing on the
heads of pins, aren't we?
>> You know, we can't say I can't speak to
you as I would like to speak to you
because we've all got to be so
politically correct and we've got to be
No, I'm I'm allowing you to speak very
clear, but I can't allow you to just
decide that all asylum seekers are
trying to rob you. Every single asylum
seeker in Islington is trying to rob you
of your mobile phone.
>> Nick, Nick, listen, just wind back a
minute. Where have I said asylum
seekers? And when have I said anyone
wanted to rob my phone?
>> All right. The people who came well,
where does the
>> What I said is this the structure of
London or or or the uh the fabric of
London has changed out of all
recognition. But that's what I'm trying
to say. What is it that you see lastly?
I've got to get to news in a minute.
What is it that you see lastly?
>> Right. Well, it comes down there are I
have to say there are too many people
who aren't uh
see I can't you can't say it. Can you
>> I'll be the judge of that. Who who
aren't
>> who
are if you're going to say aren't
British. How how do you know they're not
British? If if that's what you were
going to say. You might not been to say
that. What are you trying to say?
I think you're just playing with me now.
Nick,
>> I'm not sir. I'm not. You are.
>> You said there are too many people who
aren't and then you stopped. Who aren't
>> Welsh? What?
>> No, I'm a Welsh and I'd ban them as
well.
>> No, but what? Who aren't
>> who aren't indigenous British? There is
that.
>> H how do you know?
>> Nick, see now you just you are just
playing me.
>> I'm honestly not. I I I respect your
view and and thank you for your very
kind words, but you unfortunately the
music means we do have to move on. But
you you have to realize if you're going
to say I walk around a town and there
are too many people who aren't what
wearing shoes um drinking and that's
where we have to.
>> Hello Andrew Emily. Never spoke to D
before it's very
nice to speak to you.
>> Oh we don't just come out of panto time
>> right okay very good. Uh the first part
I'm going to just the background is you
probably won't like it. I'm a lost Labor
voter I'm afraid to say.
>> Okay.
>> Uh Mr. Blair was the last time I voted
for a Labor government.
>> What have you been doing instead then?
>> Uh voting for Conservatives. I'm ashamed
to say now after that last fiasco. But
you know what what my problem is is what
what it is I want to say is is about I
think we should give Labor more as much
as I'm I'm unhappy with the present
Labor government um for lots of reasons
they have to be given more time. They
have to be given a chance, don't they?
They have to be given a chance.
>> You can't, you know, this these things
don't happen overnight. And and and
unfortunately, the biggest mistake I
think they're making at the moment is
bad communication. Farage.
Oh my god, the guy makes my skin crawl,
but he's communicating to the people in
a way that they they're they're hearing
him. And then
>> we have to challenge him. I mean, we
have to challenge him. I mean, you know,
his plan, right? I mean, it does not
make sense. He says he's going to deport
everybody. Well, where's he going to
deport everybody to?
>> You know, how's it? And he's going to
pay countries to take people. I mean,
like, what you going to do? So, he's
going to pay dictators to take to to to
take people. What's he going to do in
Sudan? Is he going to send young girls
back to Sudan in order to be raped?
>> Like paying people to take him. I mean,
it's outrageous. It really is
outrageous.
>> Do you know why he's like that? And this
is the whole problem with there's lots
of problems going on in this country at
the moment. I'm not going to list them.
We all know what they are. the health
service, blah blah blah.
>> The problem and the reason that there
will always be problems, there'll always
be issues. There'll always be
injustices. There'll always be laws that
need change and amending,
>> whatever. It all comes from your old
place of work, the House of Commons.
That's the problem. And I'll tell you
why. The problem is now we need
politicians
who are parliamentarians
who are who are in politics for public
service, for beliefs. They want to be a
socialist, a capitalist, a liberal, a
protester, whatever it is. I'm talking
about proper parliamentarians. You were
one.
>> I still am, mate. I still am. Don't
Where do you think I've gone? Just
because I've become a dame, it doesn't
mean I'm not in parliament anymore.
>> You're you're a parliamentarian. You You
sit on committees. You You push agendas.
housing was one of yours, I think, and
and and and rights for women. You're a
bit of an environmentalist, if I
remember.
>> That's right.
>> You know, so you you had issues that you
felt passionately about and you wanted
to support them and you took them
forward. parliamentarians like Tony Ben,
like like Theresa May, like Clark.
Whether you agreed with the politics or
not, they were parliamentarians
and they they they
made decisions sometimes wrong,
sometimes right, but they made
decisions. They got things moving. And
currently at the moment, we we far is
not a parliament. He's no more a
parliamentarian than I am. And then you
get
>> we never see him. He's honestly he's
never there. He might turn up
occasionally to prime minister's
questions, but otherwise we never see
him. He doesn't do any parliamentary
work at all.
>> It's a career. Like the previous three
or four Tory pr I've lost how many I've
lost count of how many Tory prime
ministers we have. The career people,
they're in it. They're in it for the
career. They need to give um pe the
Labor government a chance. And the
danger is because of the way that it's
being miscommunicated or not
communicated is yet all these guys, not
all these guys, a lot of these people
that are demonstrating are just numb
teeth. They they don't they don't know
anything about what they're shouting
about. They're just out cuz it's a good
idea to give the police a kick in. I've
been there. I was a police officer, so I
know exactly what their motivation is
cuz you hear them talking in the ranks,
right? There's only so many. Let's go.
All that kind of stuff. But
>> I don't think everybody's like that
though. I mean I do think that there
have been other people who have been
who've been swept up in this and who do
sorry sorry Andrew
>> the dangerous bit that's the dangerous
bit
>> normal working people somebody regarded
to them the other one of your last
caller said ordinary folk the ordinary
people are being dragged into it.
They're getting carried away with it.
they they're not being they're not being
informed properly uh by the people who
should be informing them and that's the
government and then you've got you've
got these other people who the worst of
the lot generic
>> generic who has created more problems
than he's ever solved in his short life
and now he's piping up and waving flags
it's laughable
>> I think what's the biggest lot I think
what's terrible is that you know this is
Farage's big issue right this is the big
thing for him And yet, and yet when he
finally announces his policy, it's six
pages. Uh two of them are the front page
and the back page. That's four pages.
The money doesn't add up. It's supposed
to only cost 10 billion pounds over 5
years. And yet, Rbert Low, his sidekick,
had exactly the same policy and it was
47.5. And when people ask what's the
difference, he goes and says, "Oh, it's
because Zia Ysef is good at maths." I
mean, I never knew that maths could
actually do that. It's different type of
maths to the maths I understand. It's
buzzwords. It's all these buzzwords that
they're using and it and it's and it it
it it's headlines. It's the And you you
asked earlier on. You said, "Right,
who's to blame? Is it the media? Is it
is it people like Farage? Is it is it
the government what what the Tories
didn't do when they should have done and
they were despicable what they did. They
saw the writing on the wall. They knew
they were going to get booted out. So,
they just kicked that cam down the road
a bit waiting for you guys to come in.
And know everybody wants to know you've
been here five minutes. What are you
doing about here?
>> Yeah.
>> Listen. And Andrew, we could talk all
morning, but I've uh I've got to go. So
Nigel, you're in Axbridge. Hello.
>> Hello. Hello. Um thanks to take my call.
Firstly, I want to talk about the
deterrent that we talk about this all
the time, creating a deterrent. And I
think that um these people are already
risking death to come here by getting on
a dingy boat to get to the UK. That is
the ultimate deterrent. So no deter
nothing else is going to deter these
people. They are that desperate. So, you
know, this talk of creating a deterrent,
it it's not going to work. They're
already the ultimate deterrent is
already death.
>> You know, and another thing I don't
think we talk enough about Britain's
role in creating the conditions uh for
migration. I mean, it's it's never
really acknowledged. I mean, foreign
policy blunders. We we have had endless
wars and decades of you talk about
colonial extraction. Um, no one talks
about or educate people enough on
Britain's foreign policy that creates
the root causes of these issues is
created a lot by our foreign policy.
We've had endless wars. Iraq,
Afghanistan, what's going on in
Palestine right now is going to create
even more refugees. So, I mean, people
need to be educated and I think
politicians are doing a poor job. The
likes of Kama are doing a poor job of
explaining this to people and getting
people to understand what the root
causes are, you know. But tell me, I
mean, I hear you, but but but tell me
this, right? Let's say, for example, we
were responsible for what's going on in
Sudan. I mean, we're not, but you know,
we did have we do have a history in in
Sudan as a country. Um, does that then
mean that everybody in Sudan should be
moved to the UK? I mean, clearly not.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Absolutely not. I'm
not saying everybody that's not
possible. I mean, we have to share the
love, right? Europe has to share the
love. We're in this together. I mean, we
don't take anywhere near as much as a
lot of countries do anyway. Um I think
we're one of the lowest any when you
look at the numbers look when you
compare us to Germany and the likes and
and if you you know so you know we have
to share share love. I'm not saying
Britain should take everyone but we have
a responsibility.
>> I mean we're basically at the end of a
long road aren't we? So if you were, you
know, from Sudan, you would you would
and you needed to run, you'd run to the
neighboring country and most people do
that and then some go further a field
and some go further a field and then
Sudan then if you're Sudanese then
coming to the UK is a very long route. I
mean to finally come to the UK there are
many other countries on route.
>> No abs well absolutely but then you we
forget I mentioned Britain's col
colonial past. I mean a lot of people
speak English. They want to come to a
country that speaks the same language as
well. That's another thing that's not
often discussed, you know. So, there's a
lot that that that people need to be
educated on. Again, for and I want to
mention this as well, immigration has
always been a net benefit to the UK.
Yeah.
>> Economically, socially, and culturally,
I would argue as well. And migrants are
often over represented in in in
industries like the NHS, logistic,
hospitality, and without them, the
system collapse. Again, we need to talk
about the these things. I don't feel it
ever gets mentioned, you know, and it's
frustrating to me.
>> Well, you you've mentioned it. You've
mentioned it this morning, Nigel, and
you've mentioned it. Well, thank you
very much.